This Blog is a reprint from another post from The Foundry, a blog site of the Heritage Foundation. This is titled, The Morning Bell, by Curtis Dubay. It is worthy to point out the tax increases have only just begun…and they are not just for the rich.
Morning Bell: 13 Tax Increases in 2013
January 8, 2013 at 8:59 am
New Year’s Day was tough for taxpayers. Thirteen tax increases kicked in.
The deal that Congress and President Obama struck that finally—but only partially—avoided the fiscal cliff resulted in seven tax increases.
Those hikes combined with six tax increases from Obamacare that also began on New Year’s Day.
13 Tax Increases That Started January 1, 2013
Tax increases the fiscal cliff deal allowed:
1. Payroll tax: increase in the Social Security portion of the payroll tax from 4.2 percent to 6.2 percent for workers. This hits all Americans earning a paycheck—not just the “wealthy.” For example, The Wall Street Journal calculated that the “typical U.S. family earning $50,000 a year” will lose “an annual income boost of $1,000.”
2. Top marginal tax rate: increase from 35 percent to 39.6 percent for taxable incomes over $450,000 ($400,000 for single filers).
3. Phase out of personal exemptions for adjusted gross income (AGI) over $300,000 ($250,000 for single filers).
4. Phase down of itemized deductions for AGI over $300,000 ($250,000 for single filers).
5. Tax rates on investment: increase in the rate on dividends and capital gains from 15 percent to 20 percent for taxable incomes over $450,000 ($400,000 for single filers).
6. Death tax: increase in the rate (on estates larger than $5 million) from 35 percent to 40 percent.
7. Taxes on business investment: expiration of full expensing—the immediate deduction of capital purchases by businesses.
Obamacare tax increases that took effect:
8. Another investment tax increase: 3.8 percent surtax on investment income for taxpayers with taxable income exceeding $250,000 ($200,000 for singles).
9. Another payroll tax hike: 0.9 percent increase in the Hospital Insurance portion of the payroll tax for incomes over $250,000 ($200,000 for single filers).
10. Medical device tax: 2.3 percent excise tax paid by medical device manufacturers and importers on all their sales.
11. Reducing the income tax deduction for individuals’ medical expenses.
12. Elimination of the corporate income tax deduction for expenses related to the Medicare Part D subsidy.
13. Limitation of the corporate income tax deduction for compensation that health insurance companies pay to their executives.
Each of these 13 tax increases will slow the economy, meaning that businesses will create fewer jobs. Fewer jobs will make it even more difficult to land a job than it already is for the more than 12 million Americans looking for work.
President Obama demanded these higher taxes. Obama’s tax increases, in Obamacare and through the fiscal cliff deal, will not curb deficits and debt, because growing spending is driving America’s budget crisis. Congress needs to immediately turn its attention to the actual cause of our deficit and debt problem: too much spending. The proper way to address this problem is through reforms to entitlement programs.
President Obama promised the American people a “balanced approach” of tax increases and spending cuts to reduce deficits and debt. He has achieved the tax increase portion of that approach. Now Congress needs to force him to follow through on the spending cuts portion.
OMG. Obama lied.
Chris:
Seems like you are surprised that Obama lied!
Mick…that was my astonished look. If you have ever seen the “talking baby commericals” (I think it is etrade) where the kid gets that astonished look on his face, that was what I was going for.
As for being suprised…I would be TRULY suprised if obama DIDN’T lie. That would shock and awe me.
One other thing…I am not going to hold my breath that we will ever get to the bottom of what happened in benghazi. Those people died, obama lied, and we will never see justice served.
One way or another the hidden tax increases in Obamacare will eventually cost us all, although letting the payroll taxes go back up to their original contribution makes sense. That 2% deductation simply raided the Social Security funds and and would eventually add more to the national debt.
Rest assured that Obama is not yet finished. It will be a struggle the Republicans will eventually lose, but Obama will raise more taxes yet. He isn’t finished transforming our country.
However, don’t fear his reelection for a third term. That proposal will never get 2/3rds of the House of Representatives or the majority of the state legislatures to vote for it.
Are we to be surprised? Taxes is only a small portion of what lies in the near future this guy is going to slam onto the American public….best reach around to your backside and get a good grip and hold on tight. The Liberals are on a roll that is going to be nearly impossible to stop at this point in time, in my personal opinion.
Yuo can esily tell when Obama lies, his lips are moving.
Unemployment wil rise into double digits putting millions more payroll tax payers looking to collect umemployment benefits. The big question is who will be paying into the unemployment coffers ??
If this country survives the mess Obama will create in his thankfully last term it will take decades to get better if ever.
You seem to have forgotten our boy Georgie who led us down an unsustainable path with two wars, huge budget overruns, doubling of the
debt, tax cuts, and totally ignorance in managing the economy. He is truly the gift that keeps on giving.
This is not about Bush. It is about the consumate liar Owe-bama, who has raised our debt by a record amount, and will do it again if the House fails to stop him, by another record amount. Print print and print some more. Just like the Germans did prior to WW2.
He will raise the debt in two terms, equal to what it took the rest of the entire history of this country to do.
THAT is the gift that keeps on giving. Being an intelligent president would have meant…do the tough things to fix problems. Those problems would include fixing what Bush did wrong. But….NOOOOO, O-vomit failed to do that…he wanted to buy votes, and he did. Who will pay for the bought votes?
NOW, people are seeing (after their first paychecks of the new year) that not just the wealthy are paying more, the common man is too. And what is O-vomit’s answer to all this? SPEND SPEND SPEND more and more, and keep raising those taxes. OMG, talk about the way to ruin the economy.
I still say to the Republicans, vote present, let the Barry Insane Ovomit have his way, Run us over the edge. Let’s see how the public likes it when things totally go down the sewer.
There is plenty of blame to go around for the increased debt. Bush more than doubled it, under President Obama and he is our President and deserves our respect, the continued costs of the wars, high defense budgets, and huge cost overruns in our health system are the culprits.
We want big government but we don’t want to pay for it. Where do you suggest we cut? Social Security–no problem, defense–no problem, medicare/aid–no problem, education–big problem, infrastructure–big problem, subsidies–no problem but even with the last ‘fiscal cliff” agreement all kinds of crap was added to the bill by our erudite Congressmen, 80 percent of whom we elected. As Einstein said “We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” Let me have your views. Be well
First, I respect ovomit as much as the uber left respected Bush. That ought to give you an idea of how I feel about him.
Next. I do NOT want big government. I don’t want obamacare, and according to polls, neither did the majority of the people. But we had it rammed down our throats. I also do not want unemployment ins. to be extended again. The welfare programs are insane socialist crap, and need to be curtailed. And if you are so riled up about the wars in the middle east, then why are we still there? We are out of Iraq, and we could easily pack our bags and get out of Afghanistan. After all, far more Americans have died in Afghanistan under ovomit, than under Bush. Far more. Will al qaeda flourish? Not according to ovomit… he said that bin laden is dead, and al qaeda is too. Right. They are like Lyme disease…just hiding out until they want to strike again.No matter, we need to get the heck out, and when they attack us again, blame Bush. Teflon ovomit will.
Next. Once again, you cite Bush doubling our debt. OK, but under ovomit, that is going to happen again. We can point our fingers at Bush and his mistakes, but that does not excuse ovomit for doubling it once again. This time, doubling the national debt is a geometric problem…because doubling the debt is not adding 4 trillion, it is adding 9 trillion.
Next The buffoons in Washington (both parties) cannot have a meeting of the minds. It doesn’t matter what the common man thinks, the idiots we elected…a generic term “we”, just won’t figure it out. But maybe they can’t figure it out. Maybe it is impossible to get to. More on that below.
My feeling is that the country is so fractioned, that we cannot sustain being one nation any longer. The northeast has so little in common with the south and middle of the country, that it may be time to break us up. You can live in areas of SC on $30,000 a year. Try that in N.Y. or nearly anwhere in New England. Almost half of the people in the country believe that government should get the hell out of their lives. The other half apparently want government to hold their hands from cradle to grave. I cannot see how these philosophies can meet anywhere in the middle. We are talking about diametrically opposed ideologies. A split up of states may be the only answer…allow the states who wish to bow to the federal government, and provide everything to everyone to join together, and those who wish less regulation, less government, and more freedom to join together. Incidentally, I am happy to live comfortably on less, and have the government out of my life.
Social security and medicare can be easily cut back on, and yet ovomit will not consider that. We live longer, and we can certainly put off the age that you become eligible. And handing out permanent disability (SS) for people in their 20s and 30s is another thing that could be ended. If you want an education, go IN to an SS office sometime, and look at who is there. You may see a couple of Sr. citizens, but you will see the majority of the sick, lame and lazy lined up to get on the public teat that they have contributed almost nothing to. And let’s not forget, it was good old democrats in congress that started spending the money that was to be held IN TRUST for our senior citizens, and put in an IOU when the money was spent on something other than SS.
One last note: Our health care costs and cost overuns are horrid. Insurance has done a lot to increase the costs, because the health care providers have caused the prices to go up since they only pay a percentage of the fee. That, and bottom feeding attorneys who sue for whatever they can rip off the insurance companies for, like the wretched John Edwards who sued his way to wealth in North Carolina. Torte reform would help, but a trial lawyer such as ovomit will never allow that. I am an uninsured person, as is my wife, and one thing we have found, is that the “cash” price for health care is about 40% less than the “insurance” price. Very telling. And we want the government to be involved in this? OMG.
I agree with MikeKu..Bush got us all into this mess..it should come out of his retirement!!!!
A completely baseless and mindless remark from a drive by blogger, full of noise and fury, and significant of nothing. Factually completely wrong
Greetings good Captain:
Outstanding! Less disposable income means less money in the private sector andand,more government control. How fun
“Obama Annihilating America’s Middle Class Lifesty
http://www.magnifiedview.com
Right on good CAptain – please WRITE ON!
Cordially, Yoda
I guess i will have to give one of my cars to the to the man down the street who is on well fare that is Obema goverment care .I think i will quit my job and go on wellfare.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for Obama and congress to reduce spending. We should note, the majority of those who voted for Obama are not effected by these new taxes and with the expansion of unemployment benefits, that group will remain devotees. \
Don’t worry about the debt ceiling. There is a long established history of raising it whenever it is reached. We shall see history repeated.
Besides 16 trillion is nothing compared to the actual estimated 100 trillion obligation hidden behind the entitlement programs.
We are screwed beyond recovery, FUBAR.
It is going to take every last dollar from every working and lifelong working retired person to fund those who do not and never did and never will work. Get used to it. It is part of the Democratic plan and that way, they won’t even have to cheat to win the next election or any of them after that. That has been the projected plan ever since Johnson began his GREAT SOCIETY program. Buying votes is what is all about. We are simply too stupid to truncate it. IF YOU ARE ON THE DOLE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE. THAT IS A DIRECT CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Is that too hard to understand???????
Clinton handed Dubya an 8 trillion dollar SURPLUS. Bush went through that like a hot knife through buter and handed Obama a record high 8 trillion dollar deficit. Obama vowed to cut it in half in his first term.
Evedently Obama is not too good in math because he didn’t cut it in half he doubled it to a new all time record deficit. That was lie #1 in a multi list of lies.
Greene needs to check his history. The United States hasn’t had a surplus
since long before Roosevelt. He needs to find out the difference between
deficit and national debt. They are not the same although often described as
such by politicians who successfully deceive the public.
Howard B
The Soul of America
By Senator Bernie Sanders
January 9, 2013
Despite such terminology as “fiscal cliff” and “debt ceiling,” the great debate taking place in Washington now has relatively little to do with financial issues. It is all about ideology. It is all about economic winners and losers in American society. It is all about the power of Big Money. It is all about the soul of America.
In America today, we have the most unequal distribution of wealth and income of any major country on earth, and more inequality than at any time period since 1928. The top 1 percent owns 42 percent of the financial wealth of the nation, while, incredibly, the bottom 60 percent own only 2.3 percent. One family, the Walton family of Wal-Mart, owns more wealth than the bottom 40 percent of Americans. In terms of income distribution in 2010, the last study done on this issue, the top 1 percent earned 93 percent of all new income while the bottom 99 percent shared the remaining 7 percent.
Despite the reality that the rich are becoming much richer while the middle class collapses and the number of Americans living in poverty is at an all-time high, the Republicans and their billionaire backers want more, more, and more. The class warfare continues.
My Republican colleagues say that the deficits are a spending problem, not a revenue problem. What these deficit-hawk hypocrites won’t talk about is their spending. They won’t discuss what they did to dig the country into this $1 trillion deep deficit hole. They waged wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without paying for them. They gave away huge tax breaks for the rich. They squandered taxpayer dollars on the pharmaceutical industry by making it illegal to let Medicare bargain for lower drug prices. They also rescinded financial regulations that enabled Wall Street to operate like a gambling casino, leading to a severe recession that eroded tax revenue and left more than 14 percent of American workers unemployed or underemployed.
Now, despite the deficits their policies helped to create and despite the enormous suffering which exists in our society, the Republicans want to cut Social Security, veterans’ programs, Medicare, Medicaid, education, nutrition programs, and virtually every program which benefits low- and moderate-income Americans. They choose to turn their backs on the economic reality facing a significant part of our population: high unemployment, reduced wages, 50 million without health insurance, college graduates saddled with enormous student debt and elderly people living in desperation. And they have tried to slam the door on any further discussion about how to raise revenue by ending tax loopholes and unfair tax breaks.
Republicans like Senator Minority Leader Mitch McConnell who say the revenue debate is over don’t want you to consider these facts:
Federal revenue today, at 15.8 percent of GDP, is lower today than it was 60 years ago. During the last year of the Clinton administration, when we had a significant federal surplus, federal revenue was 20.6 percent of GDP.
Today corporate profits are at an all-time high, while corporate income tax revenue as a percentage of GDP is near a record low.
In 2011, corporate revenue as a percentage of GDP was just 1.2 percent — lower than any other major country in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, including Britain, Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Norway, Australia, South Korea, Switzerland, Norway, Italy, Ireland, Poland, and Iceland.
In 2011, corporations paid just 12 percent of their profits in taxes, the lowest since 1972.
In 2005, one out of four large corporations paid no income taxes at all while they collected $1.1 trillion in revenue over that one-year period.
We know where the Republicans are coming from. What about the Democrats? Will President Obama fulfill his campaign pledge to “protect the middle class” or will he surrender to right-wing blackmail? Will Democrats in the House and Senate stand with the vast majority of our citizens and such organizations as AARP, the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare, the AFL-CIO, the American Legion, the Veterans of Foreign Wars and every other veterans’ organization in the fight against cuts to Social Security and veterans’ programs, or will they agree to a disastrous corporate-backed “chained CPI” concept which makes major benefit cuts to those programs and raises taxes on low-income workers?
The simple truth is there are relatively easy ways to deal with the deficit crisis — without attacking the elderly, the children the sick or the poor.
For example, we have got to eliminate loopholes in the tax code that allow large corporations and the wealthy to avoid more than $100 billion in taxes every year by setting up offshore tax shelters in places like the Cayman Islands, Bermuda and the Bahamas. This situation has become so absurd that one five-story office building in the Cayman Islands is now the “home” to more than 18,000 corporations.
Further, we must also end tax breaks for companies shipping American jobs overseas. Today, the United State government continues to reward companies that move American manufacturing jobs abroad, despite the fact that millions of American jobs have been outsourced to China, Mexico, and other low wage countries over the past decade. The Joint Committee on Taxation (the official revenue scorekeeper in Congress) has estimated that we could raise more than $582 billion in revenue over the next decade by eliminating these offshore tax loopholes.
We must also recognize that Wall Street recklessness caused the economic crisis, and it has a responsibility to reduce the deficit. Establishing a 0.03 percent Wall Street speculation fee, similar to what we had from 1914-1966, would dampen the dangerous level of speculation and gambling on Wall Street, encourage the financial sector to invest in the productive economy and reduce the deficit by more than $350 billion over 10 years.
We are entering a pivotal moment in the modern history of our country. Do the elected officials in Washington stand with ordinary Americans — working families, children, the elderly, the poor — or will the extraordinary power of billionaire campaign contributors and Big Money prevail? The American people, by the millions, must send Congress the answer to that question.
Bernie Sanders is a disgusting socialist cretin in the mold of Barry Insane Ovomit, who does not have a clue about this country, and how it became great. He sure does have a clue about how to take it down, and he is part of that problem.
And that is REALITY.
Excellent analysis, well said Sir. We have the best Congress money can buy and it is not serving the American people. 80 percent were reelected and therefore we should not expect different results. The President has to stand his ground against the lobbyist, huge corporate donations (thank you Supreme Court) and influence which benefits the few at the cost of the millions. Be well
Just published from the White House:
Vice President Joe Biden says President Obama could use executive action — and bypass Congress — to toughen gun control laws.
Executive Action??? I guess the Emperor is now above due process since he was elected the second time…a lame duck from day one??……..
All of the above comments are on target, but can everyone see how fast things are going to move now. Basically said, “My Way or No Way” seems to be the theme if I am reading a lot of this correctly.
Snake Hunter Sez,
Chris – You will notice how quickly the idiotic ‘Party-Label-Loyalists’ here are still pointing the finger of blame at “Dubya” for Iraq, but logical folks remember how pleased both parties were, and BOTH approved the demise of the “Butcher of Bagdad” plus his two goofy sons Uday and Qusay. Gen Stormin’ Norman Schwarzkopf took Brutal old Saddam Hussein’s Troops and Tank Divisions apart in less than two weeks!
Obama ignored Pentagon advise to leave a minimum of two divisions in place in Iraq, and Obama rejected all professional advise; now the Shiites of Iran will rule Iraq!
Chicago Rules! It’s Borrow, Tax, Spend & Elect, and Emperor O-Bla-bla now has more “flexibility” to do anything he likes… so the next four years will not be a very nice place for working people; he’ll be taxing everybody!
YOU BOUGHT HIM, NOW YOU GOT HIM!!!
Now, we’re 16.4 Trillion in Debt, and counting – So, Obama Owns The Debt, Not Bush!
reb
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The war on Iraq was done without thinking of the consequences. I was against it from the first moment because I knew that we could not extract ourselves from that cess pool. Saddam never threatened us. Georgie’s father was wise enough in 1991 not to go into Baghdad because he could not determine the consequences of Saddam’s overthrow; now we know.
Amen Ralph, amen. We are about to get exactly what was bought by the Chicago mob, and served to us on a silver platter, with the compliments of George Soros. It won’t be pretty. Yep, 16.4 trillion now, and by the end of the term well over 20 trillion if we don’t stop this idiot. And, we won’t.
I am glad I am still able to work. Have to…retirement is not an option. And we all know that inflation will be rampant. Watch for food costs to soar next year. Meat will hit an all time high. One of the reasons…corn is being used for ethanol, instead of feed for cows, pigs, chickens, etc. Now if we could just get going on fracking, and drilling, all this nonsense would not be necessary. But oblabla won, and he will rule with an iron fist and raised right arm in a hitleresque salute, which he will demand in return.
Chris Jay – Now, have you heard the clincher? O’Bummer is all set to
sell Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood Thugs a Sqaudron of 20 F-16 Jets, plus
200 more M1A1 Abrahm Tanks… to harrass our Israeli friends!
Does Mohamed Morsi enjoy these “negotiations” with Barry Hussein “O”… and Hillary Rodham Clinton? Question: Do cows munch grass and oats?
reb
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Comparing the leader of the free world with the greatest murderer of all time is obscene. Now the U.S. is becoming increasingly energy independent. Energy-hungry America has long depended on the global market to meet domestic demand. In 2005, the U.S. imported 60 percent of the energy that it consumed. Since then, however, the share of imports has decreased, and it should continue to do so. The U.S. is expected to become energy self-sufficient in 2020, and to become an oil exporter by 2030.
This scenario would grant the U.S. three enormous advantages. It would enhance U.S. economic competitiveness, especially relative to Europe, given the lower costs involved in the extraction of shale gas. It would also reduce America’s exposure to growing unrest in the Arab world. Finally, it would increase the relative vulnerability of America’s main strategic rival, China, which is becoming increasingly dependent on Middle East energy supplies. (Zaki Laidi, Dec. 2012)
Many have said and I think they are basically correct, the mess that President Obama inherited was analogous to the depression of the 1930s and that took a war to at least turn around. We have a lot of work to do and there will be some painful decisions but undress we want to end up like Greece or Spain, we had better role our sleeves up and get to it.
Snake Hunter Sez,
MikeKu – You believe that Obama is… the Leader of the Free World? Wrong! He only leads his loyal sheeple to the kool-aide tank!
Saddam is hardly the “greatest murderer of all time”; read ‘Continuum of Wars’, March 2010 for the dates of Islamic Wars from 622 A.D. into the 21st century. Saddam was a brutal thug, that terrorized a muslim nation for 30 years. Read about Allah’s Apostle!
You believe that Obama “inherited a mess?” Wrong! The next generation has actually inherited a “progressive party debt-mess”, because half of the voters believed in the lies fabricated by a slick chicago slumlord advisor, sitting in the oval office; her name is valerie jarrett; she’s the real “acting president of the u.s.”
Read my January 01, 2012 Post… “Letting Obama Be Obama” by Dr. Paul Kengor before making any more outrageous propaganda comments. – reb
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Chris wrote hitlerresque salute and that is the greatest murderer ever that I found comparing to Obama as obscene. Saddam was not worth the price that Bush cost us. Of course future generations inherited the mess but their parents were part of the 69 million who the Daily Mirror in London called
so dumb in 2004.
As long as we are the most powerful nation both militarily and economically, we lead the free world whether you like it or not. You have someone else in mind?
MikeKu…do you not know your history? The greatest slaughter of people was in the Soviet Union, a communist country. Lenin and Stalin made Hitler look like a Sunday School teacher.
However, if you think that this in any way is a defense of Hitler, you are so off base that once again, there is no middle ground to meet in. Hitler instituted programs and a way of life that took him a while, but there is so much similarity to what ovomit is now doing, it is beyond scary. You can call it obscene, I call it a study of history, and fear of what power can do to a person. It started during ovomit’s first campaign, with his little army of brown suited kids singing their little obama songs. It was so disgusting it made me…vomit. Then he continues with his demonization of anything HE doesn’t like. And the media remains his trusty ally and carries his water. That is definately obscene.
Now we have ovomit seriously considering going around the constitution (once again) to do some mandatory gun control. A friend who called me last night said that for him, this was the last straw. He was beyond livid. If ovomit goes after the guns and gun owners, 99.9 +% of which are normal decent people, the bloodshed will be far greater than what Hitler managed to do in Germany. This country was founded with a constitution that cannot be ignored. Ovomit is playing with fire here.
We are now the most powerful nation (militarily speaking) in the world, but are quickly losing that status, and may well soon lose it due to budget cuts designed to save welfare programs to ensure votes and encourage the welfare/socialist state ovomit so loves and desires. Socialism is without doubt the most disgusting and to use your word, obscene system of government ever devised. In the guise of fairness, it dumbs down the entire population, homogenizing the masses, discouraging exceptionalism, and has the government deciding who gets what and forgetting about who produces what. For each to their need, from each according to….strait out of the communist manifesto. Disgusting. We did not become the world’s power following this horrid idea.
Your statement that we are quickly becoming energy independant is…well…honestly a bald faced lie. We continue to import expensive and what can only be considered terrorist oil at a ludicrous rate, while not drilling or exploring here in the U.S. The EPA is a fascist organization (installed by ovomit) which stops progress at every turn. We give money to Brazil to explore for oil, and ovomit screams about American owned oil companies make money, and how we need to remove any subsidies they get. OMG, that makes about as much sense…oh…yeah…George Soros has interests in Brazilian oil companies…that may give us a clue. Ovomit has demonized coal, and yet he wants us to drive little battery powered cars, which are recharged by coal fired power plants. How do we generate energy if we stop using coal? Solar? OMG, what a joke.
Lastly, any comparison to the situation in the country being similar to the great depression may not be too far off. Roosevelt handled things by spending money we did not have, and put us into debt. Programs began that were ineffective. We are still burdened by many of them. You cannot spend money to get out of a depression. A study of history will show that we got to where we are today, when we changed banking laws to allow anyone with a pulse to get a mortgage…and all that was law written by Andrew Cuomo, socialist governor of NY and bottom feeding lawyer. That law went into effect during Billy Bob Clintons rule…and took about eight years to crash our economy. Yet scum like ovomit managed to blame Bush on the breakdown, and the media gleefully jumped on the bankwagon to say how evil Bush was. Ovomit got into power, and he is doing the same stupid things Roosevelt did…spend spend and spend more, put us into deeper debt…and expects the ecomony to improve? I don’t think so. He wants to drag us to socialism, and that is just plain obscene.
I am not in the business of sitting at my computer and responding to every Tom, Dick and Harry. I find interesting that your attribute to the President everything that is wrong with this country. The President has yet to ban all political parties, discriminate against Jews, Catholics, handicapped, etc. etc., at least I have not seen that. It sounds to me that you are off the right cliff as far as gun control goes; how many massacres do you want? Should every home have a submachine gun at the ready? Most people who are shot in this country, are people the shooter knows a real tragedy.
You obviously have studied this at least from your vantage point; I have better things to do. I like to comment on occasion but not to the extent that you and some of your colleagues have taken this.
The US has problems; there is no country that does not. Apparently you don’t like any solutions and your use of scum, ovomit, other pejorative diminishes the discussion. You chastise President Clinton yet he got people off welfare, balanced the budget, left a huge surplus, the country was doing pretty good.
We all fact tough times. This country will survive hopefully better for it but I suspect that is not your reading. I wish you all the best and goodbye.
First, since I have to work for a living, there are times I cannot and do not respond immediately. This was one of those times. But, here goes. I hope you won’t get mad at me because I am about to give you factual information here in support of why I detest what is going on in Washington>
Let’s start with this quote:
” It sounds to me that you are off the right cliff as far as gun control goes; how many massacres do you want?”
Right cliff? I am off the right cliff, because I believe in the Constitution of the United States? How do you gleen that being off the right cliff? I would really like this one answered…
But to mass shootings, and their frequency. No, I would like to see all of them end. There are many ways to achieve that goal.
FIrst, we can take the people we kicked to the street from mental institutions in the 70′s, and put them back in an institution where they will not hurt themselves, or others. The majority of the mass shootings, bombings, etc., have been done by imbalanced people, who could not have performed in an extremely anti social way, if they had not been “mainstreamed” into society. From what you seem to support, we should forgo the constitution and the RIGHT to bear arms, so we can leave the crazies on the street. So, are you advocating that? Are you saying that we cannot stigmitize anyone, and since that would be wrong, we have to disregard a Constitutional provision? I am trying to get your position clear in my mind.
Other ways to solve shootings are for the people who are hell bent on doing something to know that there are no such things as NO GUN or WEAPON zones. They need to know that if they decide to go ballistic, someone is probably going to be there, to end their horrid idea right quick and in a hurry. Bang.
Next…no one here, no one anywhere, advocates a machine gun in every house. Actually, I stand corrected. In Switzerland, everyone has to do service in the military. They are issued a weapon, and they are also in the reserves until they are retirement age. The weapon is theirs to keep forever. BTW, the incidence of assault by guns in Switzerland is very low. Probably because everyone there knows that everyone there is armed AND qualified to use their weapon. Just a guess. But in the US, machine guns or something similar are extremely hard to get permits for. In case you do not know, a standard AR-15 rifle is a semi automatic rifle, as are many rifles sold today. I don’t have one, and don’t care to have one. I find it unneccesary. Trust me that it is not needed in my house.
Next…you failed to mention the 60 or 70 million people that good old Chairman Mao (oh…wasn’t he a communist???) KILLED or EXTERMINATED in China. Guess he beat Hitler, and the USSR despots. But the left never wants to mention anything bad about communism/socialism. Kind of brings down the karma on the left side a wee bit.
Next…Billy Bob of the Oral Office Clinton…one of my favorite topics. NO…NO…NO…he did not leave a surplus. We still carried a huge national debt which he was president, AND after he left the office. Your comment is untrue. PLEASE Mikeku… study up on your history before you spout the lies that the left wing media spews and expects the mind numbed to believe. Budgets were balanced, but the debt still was in the trillions. It was never paid off. There is a big difference.
BUT…BILLY BOB deserves the credit for the biggest crash our country has seen since the great depression. OH, YEAH, he did indeed sign into law the bill written by Andrew Cuomo, New York’s crook in chief, which essentially allowed banks to relax lending standards and lend to anyone with a pulse. It took eight short years for all that to implode, and indeed it did. Bush was president, and what do you know, your hero OVOMIT and the democrats blamed Bush for the entire meltdown. In 2006, several Repubs warned that this would happen, but their warning fell on deaf ears. Barney Google Frank, and Chris Dudd of Connecticut, both dealing with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac defended the two institutions and proudly stated that both were financially sound, and that any talk of impending disaster was ludicrous. Hey, there were some pretty high powered democrats getting very very rich as heads of Fannie and Freddie. Get rich they did. Guess old Frank&Dudd were just protecting their own. Mikeku….you need to study the FACTS of history, as all this is absolutely true. Bush SHOULD have gotten on the bandwagon against the disaster which was to come, but he didn’t believe disaster was near. Guess he listened to the two jerks Frank&Dudd. Pity.
I HAVE studied this a lot. I DO take it seriously. I DON’T believe much of what the lame stream media says…I look deeper into the facts of the situation. That is what separates me and many like minded people from you, Mikeku. You are defending something that is WRONG. If you would take the time to study it in detail, you will find that out. I hope someday you do.
Lastly, while I would like to call many of the folks who write on this blog colleagues, I cannot yet do so. I have had the pleasure to meet the author of the blog, and a finer man does not exist, but I have yet to meet any of the others. We may be like minded, but it is a stretch to say we are colleagues. Just sayin’,,,,
Chris,
You are so right on mark. Too bad so many more people can’t see it like you (I) do. It’s so obvious what is happening to our country under ovomit!!!!
Hitler caused the death of 50 million people; you can slice it any way you want. Stalin of course was not much better. Comparing either to our President or any President is obscene. I shall read your other comments tomorrow, as it is near midnight here. Be well
MikeKu – It Is You… not anyone else, that has set up the straw-man comparisons with 20th century dictators, and that sir, appears to be a purposeful deception.
If You Choose To Defend… B.H. Obama, let us begin the necessary in-depth research of his political friends and allies of 20 years, then let’s explore exactly who funded his Harvard Law Education (1988-1991) when Barry was an unknown 26 yr old student.
Whenever you are ready Mike, I’ll be here with the verifiable information. – reb
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Snake Hunter Sez,
Still patiently waiting for the outspoken MikeKu to respond to the Links
I’ve offered in good faith, but so far his timidity is chronic behavior for
most of the left-of-center ever-anonymous responders on this website.
Snake Hunter Sez,
Marshall’s profile is clearly available; Deb Hamilton’s RightTruth website
clearly identifies the blogmaster, plus all of her many authors names. They
all provide clear identification. The same is true with Snake Hunter website.
Question: The left-of-center responders here all have the same pattern
of obfuscation and obvious distortion of historical events to fit their own
political notions and agendas. So, why do you hide your identity?
If you do not have a blog, then you should at least be willing to provide
a verifiable name and location, with your business or professional skills.
Speak up, cowardice is not an admirable trait. – reb
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This behavior is intolerable; speak up… if you expect your opinions to
have any merit or validity here. – reb
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Failure to provide this information indicates an intolerable cowardice,
and your shallow opinions have no merit. – reb
MikeFu hides his ignominious identity like most others from the Far-out Left…
His silence waves goodbye, with a faint whimper, signifying nothing of value.
reb
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Thank you Ralph for your generous Shakespearean ending note. Be well
Chris Jay – You will notice three reactions from the Left-of-Center folks:
* They consistantly refuse to identify themselves with a name, location or occupation;
* They change the subject – distort historical content – chronically bumrap Dubya.
* They consistantly avoid responding to factual links… and solid information.
reb
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