THE RELIGIOUS MOSAIC OF BARACK OBAMA

 

Is Obama truly a Christian? Could he be a Muslim? Is there more to be gleaned from his actions, and less from his words? What are his true beliefs and how do they affect decisions that affect all Americans?

Bear in mind, I am not a religious person, but I vehemently respect and defend all religions that are peace-loving, generous and genuine, particularly Jews and Christians upon whose faith forms the bedrock of this nation’s origins and it’s values.

Last month I posted an article presenting a Mosaic of the many undefined aspects of Barack Obama that, when joined together like a jigsaw puzzle, clearly shows the full picture that our president is someone else other than what he has portrayed himself.

Among other questions is claim to be a “Christian.” In truth, his life’s history before the alleged “conversion” in 1988 — in the church of Rev. Jeremiah Wright — had been with close alliances to Marxists, atheists and Muslims, almost to the exclusion of any Christians. Thus, one might conclude that declaring himself a “Christian” was purely for political expediency. With politics looming, he certainly would not be electable as an atheist or a Muslim.

Patterns rarely lie. Police investigators often rely on patterns when connecting dots in the field of organized crime and corruption. In my “Mosiac” article, I point out how Mr. Obama leans far more toward the Islamic faith than to Christianity. I am not alone. David Barton, of Wallbuilders.com has posted an article in which he presents a very clear pattern of Barack Obama’s attitude and policies toward Christianity, and further, his leanings toward Islam.

As you read this, remember that upwards of 77 percent of the people of this nation identify as Christian. One ABC poll put the number at 83 percent. While some folks might not like to hear it, that makes us a predominantly Christian nation.

The following text is taken from David Barton’s article. For annotations and sources, check out the full text which is linked below. Very tell-tale.

1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:

April 2008 – Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they “cling to guns or religion” and have an “antipathy to people who aren’t like them.”

February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011.

April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus’ name be covered when he is making his speech.

May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House.

April 2009 – In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican; of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three.

October 19, 2010 – Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about “the Creator” when quoting the Declaration of Independence – an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions.

November 2010 – Obama misquotes the National Motto, saying it is “E pluribus unum” rather than “In God We Trust” as established by federal law.

January 2011 – After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand, but the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court.

February 2011 – Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress.

April 2011 – For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring.

August 2011 – The Obama administration releases its new health care rules that override religious conscience protections for medical workers in the areas of abortion and contraception.

November 2011 – Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt’s famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial.

November 2011 – Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech.

December 2011 – The Obama administration denigrates other countries’ religious beliefs as an obstacle to homosexual rights.

January 2012 – The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches and synagogues in hiring their pastors and rabbis.

February 2012 – The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion.

 

2. Acts of hostility from the Obama-led military toward people of Biblical faith:

June 2011 – The Department of Veterans Affairs forbids references to God and Jesus during burial ceremonies at Houston National Cemetery.

August 2011 – The Air Force stops teaching the Just War theory to officers in California because the course is taught by chaplains and is based on a philosophy introduced by St. Augustine in the third century AD – a theory long taught by civilized nations across the world (except America).

September 2011 – Air Force Chief of Staff prohibits commanders from notifying airmen of programs and services available to them from chaplains.

September 2011 – The Army issues guidelines for Walter Reed Medical Center stipulating that “No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading materials and/or facts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit.”

November 2011 – The Air Force Academy rescinds support for Operation Christmas Child, a program to send holiday gifts to impoverished children across the world, because the program is run by a Christian charity.

November 2011 – The Air Force Academy pays $80,000 to add a Stonehenge-like worship center for pagans, druids, witches and Wiccans.

February 2012 – The U. S. Military Academy at West Point disinvites three star Army general and decorated war hero Lieutenant General William G. (“Jerry”) Boykin (retired) from speaking at an event because he is an outspoken Christian.

February 2012 – The Air Force removes “God” from the patch of Rapid Capabilities Office (the word on the patch was in Latin: Dei).

February 2012 – The Army orders Catholic chaplains not to read a letter to parishioners that their archbishop asked them to read.

 

 3. Acts of hostility toward Biblical values:

January 2009 – Obama lifts restrictions on U.S. government funding for groups that provide abortion services or counseling abroad, forcing taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations.

January 2009 – President Obama’s nominee for deputy secretary of state asserts that American taxpayers are required to pay for abortions and that limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional.

March 2009 – The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit.

March 2009 – Obama gave $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that promotes abortion and works closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations.

May 2009 – The White House budget eliminates all funding for abstinence-only education and replaces it with “comprehensive” sexual education, repeatedly proven to increase teen pregnancies and abortions.

He continues the deletion in subsequent budgets.

May 2009 – Obama officials assemble a terrorism dictionary calling pro-life advocates violent and charging that they use racism in their “criminal” activities.

July 2009 – The Obama administration illegally extends federal benefits to same-sex partners of Foreign Service and Executive Branch employees, in direction violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

September 16, 2009 – The Obama administration appoints as EEOC Commissioner Chai Feldblum, who asserts that society should “not tolerate” any “private beliefs,” including religious beliefs, if they may negatively affect homosexual “equality.”

July 2010 – The Obama administration uses federal funds in violation of federal law to get Kenya to change its constitution to include abortion.

August 2010 – The Obama administration Cuts funding for 176 abstinence education programs.

February 2011 – Obama directs the Justice Department to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

March 2011 – The Obama administration refuses to investigate videos showing Planned Parenthood helping alleged sex traffickers get abortions for victimized underage girls.

October 2011 – The Obama administration eliminates federal grants to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops for their extensive programs that aid victims of human trafficking because the Catholic Church is anti-abortion.

 

4. Acts of preferentialism for Islam:

May 2009 – While Obama does not host any National Day of Prayer event at the White House, he does host White House Iftar dinners in honor of Ramadan.

April 2010 – Christian leader Franklin Graham is disinvited from the Pentagon’s National Day of Prayer Event because of complaints from the Muslim community.

April 2010 – The Obama administration requires rewriting of government documents and a change in administration vocabulary to remove terms that are deemed offensive to Muslims, including jihad, jihadists, terrorists, radical Islamic, etc.

August 2010 – Obama speaks with great praise of Islam and condescendingly of Christianity. ( He tells a Muslim audience during Ramadan that “Islam has always been a part of America and Muslims have made extraordinary contributions to this country.”)

August 2010 – Obama went to great lengths to speak out on multiple occasions on behalf of building an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero, while at the same time he was silent about a Christian church being denied permission to rebuild at that location.

2010 – While every White House traditionally issues hundreds of official proclamations and statements on numerous occasions, this White House avoids traditional Biblical holidays and events but regularly recognizes major Muslim holidays, as evidenced by its 2010 statements on Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-ul-Adha.

October 2011 – Obama’s Muslim advisers block Middle Eastern Christians’ access to the White House.

February 2012 – The Obama administration makes effulgent apologies for Korans being burned by the U. S. military, but when bibles were burned by the military, numerous reasons were offered why it was the right thing to do. 

The reader can easily put the pieces of the mosaic together. While some people may not disagree with all of these actions, one cannot lose sight of the bigger picture, in total, and what it tells us all.

These actions are unprecedented. The hostility of President Obama toward Biblical faith and values is without equal from any previous American president.

Click here: WallBuilders – Issues and Articles – America’s Most Biblically-Hostile U. S. President

Click here: A MOSAIC: OBAMA, ISLAM, COMMUNISM | Marshall Frank

Click here: ABCNEWS.com : Poll: Most Americans Say They’re Christian

Click here: EDITORIAL: Obama’s Islamic America – Washington Times

41 Responses to THE RELIGIOUS MOSAIC OF BARACK OBAMA

  1. JustMe March 10, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    This column is an excellent gathering of important information for all of us to know.
    I believe there is no way one can know what religion, if any, a person is by simply listening to what they say.
    This Serial Liar President Obama has shown the world that he says many things but most of what he says are lies and deceit – far too much for me to put into this forum.
    Having said that, there is absolutely no evidence in practice or behaviors that has shown President Obama to be of any religion or that he believes in God or is godly.
    Anyone who is for infanticide of newborn babies as Obama has professed by his actions as a Senator and by his public statements, is not of God.

  2. Jack A. Milavic March 10, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    Marshall,

    Again, you are truly a very brave peson to share this information, thank you. Becausse of my position I am uunable to offer any comments on the contents.

  3. Ron Kenerly March 10, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    Well, this statement is certainly correct…the Muslims actually did make an extraordinary contribution to America…it happen on 9/11…..they aided in the increase expenditures in the construction industry and funeral homes business to just name a couple.
    “August 2010 – Obama speaks with great praise of Islam and condescendingly of Christianity. ( He tells a Muslim audience during Ramadan that “Islam has always been a part of America and Muslims have made extraordinary contributions to this country.”)”

    Least we not forget any of this……..and it is a shame that he was not one of the ones to have been victimized in this:
    “July 2010 – The Obama administration uses federal funds in violation of federal law to get Kenya to change its constitution to include abortion.”

  4. Richard Plager March 10, 2012 at 6:03 pm #

    November 6, 2012, a day that will NEVER live in infamy.

  5. lou March 10, 2012 at 8:49 pm #

    Heaven help us. This is depressing!

    Please VOTE

  6. Pamela Jarvis March 10, 2012 at 10:20 pm #

    Did you forget that our founding fathers left for this beautiful land of ours to start a new life away from religious persecution…..as a result, initiating the inherent laws of our Constitution….”Separation of Church and State”. Why don’t you people stop perpetrating the fear, lies, and hate-mongering that goes on in this blog and begin to work on solving world problems……or maybe even some of your own. BTW, Obama says he is a Christian, but, whatever he is, I don’t see the same degree of hatred and fearfulness coming from his philosophy, as I do some of the professed Christians that are prevalent in the far right-wing sectors of our fair land. And I might ask Marshall; Why are you advocating this idea that Obama is a Muslim? Did you forget that Pres. Obama orchestrated the annihilation of many of the worst Muslim fanatical terrorists – including Osama Bin Laden??? Marshall, you are a professed atheist, and one that seems to be exploiting a wrong idea of Christianity versus the rule of law according to our Constitution. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE means exactly what it says. To say otherwise could be construed as being in opposition to the most noble
    and intelligent intentions of our founding fathers.

    • Timothy March 14, 2012 at 11:31 pm #

      Well said, Pamela. An Atheist exploiting the religious fears of indoctrinated masses. An Atheist with a political agenda or a undercover theist posing as an atheist to seem more objective?

  7. Yoda March 11, 2012 at 3:37 am #

    Greetings Good Captain:

    Superb compendium of facts.

    Our great leader the Obamanation has never met a Muslim he didn’t like including the two radical czars he appointed.

    I have always considered his evident act of apostasy for leaving the faith in Indonesia. Leaving the faith is punishable by death.by this “moderate-tolerant-peaceful” religion.

    Should he get a second term there will be a crescent moon flag flying over the White House.

    Right on good Captain – WERITE ON! Cordially, Yoda@magnifiedview.com

  8. reality March 11, 2012 at 3:37 am #

    Thank you Pamela Jarvis. 250 different denominations of Christianity now, all springing from a Jew who hated hypocrites; including the Black Baptists and the White Baptists, who STILL are separate. Obama also said Sunday has the most segregated hour in America. Gee, the guy has lived in Indonesia, gone to Pakistan, and seen people who all love their children and want a better life for their families. And you STILL haven’t read about the undercover Muslim that our FBI endangered and “dissed” so much that he quit trying to stop the Blind Sheik Omar from plotting the first WTC bombing. You’re still so busy sticking tiny pieces of gunk onto your “mosaic”? “Triple Cross”, by Peter Lance. Patterns? Our Pentagon did data mining and connected Osama to the Meier Kahane’s killer. Then they destroyed that evidence. Like Giuliani destroyed most of the evidence of 9/11. NOBODY seems to have investigated the photo of the Pentagon, with double hung windows unbroken on both sides of a single hole that a plane with 2 titanium alloy engines supposedly went thru.
    Where are the police who must have gone to the Pentagon that day? What “pattern” do they usually see when a plane big enough to hold 200+ people hits a wall?

  9. Buck Dawson March 12, 2012 at 5:04 am #

    Thanks Marshall for continuing to have the courage to write your blog despite some extreme disagreement with it. I am fascinated by those individuals who clearly detest and severely criticize your thoughts, yet continue write their responses. Do they really believe they will change your mind or those of the majority of the rest of us? ln words that many of them probably understand (Не в этой жизни!).

    Given the economic turmoil in the U.S. and around the world, worsening political and religious divisiveness and the hatred I see every day, I am convinced we are headed for a civil war in America that will pit the “haves” vs. the “have-nots”, liberals against conservatives, blacks, Muslims and illegals against whites and veterans against those who oppose the military. God, or whoever you may believe in, help us all. As the referee says at the beginning of every boxing match: “protect yourself at all times.” I hope each of you are ready when the crap hits the fan because this confrontation isn’t likely to be a war of words.

  10. paul vincent zecchino March 12, 2012 at 6:27 am #

    Ron Kenerly & friends –

    Upon reading that muslims made extraordinary contributions to our country, a picture flashed thru my mind, one perhaps similar to that which flashed thru yours.

    I’ll never forget the sight of innocent people, some Americans, some citizens of other nations, who arrived at work expecting to return to their loved ones at day’s end, instead forced to choose between being beaten out trade center windows by searing heat and plummetting to their deaths, or remaining in place to be burned alive.

    Nice choice, eh? Any jjihadis willing to make that choice? Not likely, as history has proven that they’re not brave soldiers but rather cowardly hit-and-run assassins.

    And will you ever forget seeing those scraggly moral cretins in wearing filthy bedsheets dancing in the souks at the news that their jihadi pals slaughtered three thousand innocent people? I know I never will.

    Have you heard anything resembling an apology from anyone from that culture for this horrific act of evil? Me neither. Perhaps I missed it….

    Some claim this was an ‘inside job’? OK, let’s explore it. But rather than do the predictable and indict ‘evil Bush-Cheney’ instead why not look at the Left?

    Nothing like counterintuitive thinking to cut thru leftist lies, eh?

    The Left has lots of money both to fund terrorism and to deflect attention away from guilty leftist terrorists and onto the innocent.

    Throughout the 90s, jihadis attacked relentlessly yet the boy with the bouffant who was America’s alleged leader did little to nothing. But when his wooden-Indian protege lost in 2000, remember the overblown frenzied accusations about ‘the stolen election’?

    Remember soros all through the 2000s, throwing tantrums about ‘American hegemony’, demanding that ‘America be cut down to size’?

    Might soros, who funded the clintons, gores and the persent regimeniks, have funded an inside job which was to occur during the early days of an expected gore presidency?

    Just speculating, not even asking reasoned questions. Costs nothing to do so, right?

    The Left has long expressed and intent to destroy America and inflict one-world tyranny. Did the well-funded Left create an opportunity to do so by allowing an horrific attack to occur early on during the watch of president algore?

    What would he have done? Besides capitulate?

    Just asking. And yeah, I know, it’s ridiculuous.

    Jihadis and communists take the long view of things. Might they have had a long term design which involved an expected gore presidency and subsequent attack? MIght this explain the Left’s hystrionics when Gore lost, knowing what was to come?

    Just asking. And besides, the above scenario is surely ludicrous.

    Paul Vincent Zecchino
    Manasota Key, Florida
    12 March, 2012

  11. paul vincent zecchino March 12, 2012 at 6:30 am #

    PS –

    Did they ever release the names of the person or persons who sold short the airline stocks the day preceeding the trade center attacks? Surely, just a coincidence. Surely.

    Paul Vincent Zecchino
    Manasota Key, Florida
    12 March, 2012

    “A coincidence is just a coincidence. Two are a pattern. Three? Conspiracy.”
    – timeless Cuban adage

  12. Christopher Jones March 12, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    Paul…never thought of that one. Would like to see just who got rich.

    Pam…I disagree, but at least you have the courage to put your name on a blog.

    Buck…good to see you back.

    For those who defend Islam as a peaceful and loving yada yada religion, maybe it is time you read the Quran. If you don’t speak or read the native language, there is an excellent translation by Usama Dakdok. After you read it, go ahead and defend Islam. Or try to. Religion? I think not.

    And for a reality check: I am a white guy who attends a Baptist church in S.C. We are not a segregated church. There is not a hint of that in our church. Now, there IS a black church down the street that has no white people in it…so I am not sure what that means, but that isn’t us.

    Is it me, or is anyone else out there sick and tired of mass generalizations which are presented as truths against conservatives or against Christians, or either? And lo and behold, virtually all of them are presented by “people” who don’t sign their real names.

    Just sayin’…

  13. Paul March 13, 2012 at 12:10 am #

    Heard this on the Neal Boortz show. Justifies what I already believe. It amazes me that people voted for him, and still buy his bullshit! Cannot fathom how this dubious american could get elected president. Thanks Mr. Franks.

  14. paul vincent zecchino March 13, 2012 at 2:35 am #

    Thank you, Mr. Frank, for itemizing with great clarity exactly what this one has done, so that when some people ask ‘what has he done?’, we can now succinctly answer them.

    Christopher Jones –

    Not saying I believe the theory presented above, mind you, but it does seem at least worthy of exploration. You know what recently caught my attention? Something missed during the months following 9/11, reports that apparently immediately following 9/11, left wing democrats promptly blamed Bush/Cheney for the attacks.

    Most of us during that time were upset by the horrific spectacle. We supported our President and felt for the victims and despised atta and his fellow gutless creeps and their backers. The idea that President Bush caused this was the furthest thing from our minds.

    But the Left, in manner of criminals who commit ‘the classic mistake’ of inserting themselves into the investigation of a crime, immediately stepped forward and implicated Bush/Cheney.

    How very interesting that the Left did so in manner similar to criminals who approach investigators and offer to help solve the crime they committed, so as to keep tabs on the progress of the investigation and mock police and the victim.

    Wasn’t that a most interesting thing for the left wing democrats to have done?

    Paul Vincent Zecchino
    Mana

    • Chris March 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm #

      Paul…you make a compelling case to investigate thoroughly just who benefited from the horrific events of 9-11. You are also right about a generic guilty party immediately pointing the finger elsewhere.

      I have not seen the forest for the trees…and I am a reasonably intelligent retired cop…who was literally on active duty the morning of the horrid events. I have seen “the helpful” in the past, and as you say, they were deflecting of course. Eventually, they were implicated.

      Can you imagine what might happen if we indeed find dirty fingers involved, and they are of the “left”? I will always remember the rants of people like Rosie O’Donnell, who claimed that steel can’t melt. (What a brilliant observation). The point of course was the mindset of the country was never that Bush was involved in such a horrific crime…but yes, the uber leftists went there very quickly.

      We must investigate. I would start perhaps with George Soros, famous for his turning in Jewish families to the Nazi’s during WW2. Oh…isn’t that the same George Soros who so adamantly supports Obama?

      Just wonderin’…

  15. Pamela Jarvis March 14, 2012 at 6:07 pm #

    To Chris Jones: Exactly what is it you disagree with? Separation of church & state? Interesting that you are sick of “generalizations against conservatives & Christians”….but not sick enough about the generalizations regarding Muslims, liberals, intellectuals, etc., etc. How we do blog on and on and on…..much ado about nothing when you do absolutely nothing to help our poor besieged planet find solutions to the REAL problems we will soon be having with our environment. Mother nature might take care of all of us in a way we won’t appreciate…..she’s tired of the rampant, greedy lot of us. We should be thinking about things like energy alternatives to the problems some of us refuse to face.

    • Christopher Jones March 14, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

      Pam…I disagree with your entire politial philosophy. We have no chance at changing each others mind, so we have to let it go at that.

      I admire the fact that you sign your name, rather than hide behind some pseudonym, and make slanderous and libelous statements behind the cover of darkness. That was my reason for including you in my reply.

      Stay well.

  16. Timothy March 14, 2012 at 11:42 pm #

    Christopher,

    It’s nice that you can agree to disagree with Pam’s entire political philosophy without telling why. Whart parts do you disagree with. Do you think we should have theocracy? I think that if Obama is an atheist which is far more likely than a muslim then that would make him the fairest President to all the people of all faiths and those without that we have ever had. Mr. Frank the fact you say you are not a religious man tells me logically that you should be supporting the separation of Church and State in the items that you’ve outlined above. However I have not as yet check the authenticity of you list, but I will. I suspect that you are a religious man with an agenda.

    • Christopher Jones March 15, 2012 at 1:49 am #

      Timothy. You have no idea who I am, what I believe in, or where I am coming from. Ms. Jarvis and I have had numerous “discussions” in the past and I do NOT wish to “discuss” anything with her any more. My disagreements with her are from past experience, you see, and I am not being drawn in to a debate with any of the “true believers” of the left. If you are an athiest, well, no offense, God Bless you and you carry on.
      I cannot and do not speak for Mr. Franks…though we have had personal discussions on the matter. It is not my place to discuss what he does or does not believe.

      So, no offense to you, Tim, but I am not going there…anywhere…with Ms. Jarvis. Once again, my comment to her was that I admire one thing about her and that she stands up, states her name, and does not hide behind a pseudonym, like some of the bloggers are so cute about doing. I find THAT to be repugnant. (Not directed at you).

  17. lou March 15, 2012 at 4:59 pm #

    Didn’t anyone else grow up “loving America”? That was something that was always evident at home and school. As an adult, of course, I felt sorry for the pain we have to go through to change, but that did not change my love of country. Is there any place in the world where we have the freedoms to “do and say” almost anything without being prosecuted? I have always been proud knowing that because I AM AMERICAN, I have the comfort and responsibility for a pretty decent life. God Bless America and what we stand for

  18. reality March 15, 2012 at 8:35 pm #

    to chris: you were a cop on duty on 9/11, and only NOW are you curious about who made money on it? Peter Lance thoroughly investigated it, and his book “Triple Cross” has copies of docs, photos of the Muslim risked his life to prevent the first WTC attack, and of many others. Our arming and training of the Mujahideen was started under Carter, and Ballooned under Reagan, as he restarted the War on Commies. “Charlie Wilson’s War, by George Crile. “Lefties”, Soros, “deflected”? Listen to John McCain right after the attack, saying we really should investigate before assigning blame. By afternoon, he’s pointing to “state-sponsored terrorism”, which turns out to be the buzzword for blaming Iraq. He told the senate war on Iraq would be cheap, easy, and quick. Bush ended the search for Bin Laden, and joked in a tuxedo about looking for WMD. Almost 5000 Americans dead, over 13,000 maimed for life, with even more still doing multiple tours in Afghanistan. And George Bush walks his dog in Dallas, and his biggest regret is that he didn’t privatize Social Security.

  19. Christopher Jones March 15, 2012 at 10:32 pm #

    I give up Marshall. The lefties have taken over this blog with their inane and insane diatribe(s).

    I believe you Reality. Sure.

  20. paul vincent zecchino March 16, 2012 at 2:11 am #

    christopher jones & lou –

    You bet, plenty of us grew up loving this country. Having been to a few others, it’s easy to understand why. Nope, it’s surely not perfect but it’s a far sight easier living here than in other lands. Those who dismiss this likely have no frame of reference beyond living here & believing everything the leftist media burps at them night after night after night…

    Odd, the way all those guys, the rafts, come up from Cuba but for all the looking, have yet to hear of anyone tying couple inner tubes together and heading down from Kendall, Flamingo, Clewiston, or even Port Charlotte down to fidel’s workers’ paradise.

    Odd, the way this works. They all wanna come here. Friends who’ve moved here from the UK several years ago did so to get away from the shariah state the UK has become….

    pv zecchino
    manasoviet key, florida
    15 March, 2012

  21. reality March 16, 2012 at 6:21 pm #

    Marshall Frank claims Obama is not a Christian. So what? President Bush claimed to be a Christian, and then sent American troops into Iraq. 100,000 Iraqis are dead, almost 5000 Americans, yet I don’t hear any of you saying Bush lies about what he is.
    Peter Lance was on “Morning Joe”, and no one disputed the facts of his investigation, which he detailed in his book, “Triple Cross”. How many of you have even read that book? Instead, you scapegoat Obama; just like the “good” mostly Christian Germans, blamed Jews for their economic woes. You can’t handle the truth, or, you just don’t want to know the truth. I hope there is a God, and a heaven. I wonder what He will say to all of you who watched the towers burn, and then just walked away.

  22. Pamela Jarvis March 17, 2012 at 10:57 pm #

    Christopher Jones says I make “slanderous and libelous statements behind the cover of darkness”. Again, I must refer to something in psychology that is called “transference”. It means that you “transfer” your own subconscious feelings and say they belong to another person whom you want to denigrate. I hope this isn’t the case with you, Chris, but regarding the “slanderous and libelous statements” you say I have made, why don’t you want to come right out there and honestly have a discussion about them. Oh, that’s right…..you have decided to “NOT discuss anything with HER anymore”. I guess that’s where it becomes the kind of mind-set I’ve noticed from people who retreat to the safety of others with like mind-sets. Sorry Chris….I didn’t mean to upset you or anyone else on this blog….and I didn’t realize that expressing another point of view (liberal, rational, objective) would cause you to “give up”, or that it is something we aren’t supposed to do……voice an opinion in freedom.

    • Christopher Jones March 18, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

      PAM, ARE YOU OBTUSE OR DYLEXIC?

      NOW…take a deep breath an re-read my post. I said you are NOT LIKE THE OTHERS who make slanderous and libelous statements .

      PLEASE READ THE QUOTE FROM ABOVE:

      “I admire the fact that you sign your name, rather than hide behind some pseudonym, and make slanderous and libelous statements behind the cover of darkness.”

      IN ANY WAY DOES THAT STATEMENT ACCUSE YOU OF MAKING SUCH STATEMENTS?

      My decision not to argue a point with you on this blog is a conscious decision not to argue with you. Period. When you posted your famous line “I don’t answer facts”…there was no need for me to post facts of the past that you will just ignore. Again, don’t take this as being a “nasty” statement…I just cannot discuss a different philopsophy with someone who ignores history…factual history. You absolutely have the right to have your opinions, as I have stated ad nauseum in the past. I will defend your right to have AND express those OPINIONS…but like all partisans (note I mentioned all), you spin your statements to back up your opinions and you ignore facts which disprove your opinions. FINE.

      BUT, if you are the intelligent woman you portend to be, please READ my post thoroughly, before you go off half cocked, and made suppositions that “just ain’t so.”

  23. reality March 18, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    Chris, I went back & read Pamela’s post, but didn’t see where she said “I don’t argue with facts”. Could you or Pamela show us where? Our Founding Fathers seem to have faced the same dilemma we are arguing about. I believe in freedom of religion, but I sure hate being pressured into listening to any prayer, before a govt. meeting. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. But MLF seems to be prohibiting Obama’s free exercise of religion, by saying it is the wrong religion-the majority has ruled for Christianity. But the Bill of Rights is to protect Minority rights. How it ever was voted in, I don’t know, and MLF, chris, etc. seem to be really furious about it. What if Muslims were the Majority and you were forced to honor the practices of their religion? It infuriates me that Hillary and Nancy cover their hair when in Muslim-ruled countries, but you are demanding the same type of submission. Which is totally against our Constitution! And Chris, our son just today worried that one of your supporters will shoot me, or him. So stop berating us for “hiding”. Yes, I am hiding, scared to death that someone is going to shoot the innocents who, thru no fault of their own, share my last name.

    • Chris March 18, 2012 at 9:59 pm #

      “Could you or Pamela show us where?”
      .THIS IS FROM PAST DISCUSSIONS ON OTHER BLOGS BY MLF.

      You say…
      “I believe in freedom of religion, but I sure hate being pressured into listening to any prayer, before a govt. meeting.”

      But then you quote the Constitution saying…
      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

      Is this not contradictory? You hate being PRESSURED into LISTENING to a prayer…though the constitution clearly prohiits laws establishing the free exercise thereof. (Hint…if you hear such a prayer, close you ears, or walk out until it is over)

      You say…
      “What if Muslims were the Majority and you were forced to honor the practices of their religion? It infuriates me that Hillary and Nancy cover their hair when in Muslim-ruled countries, but you are demanding the same type of submission.’

      First, what type of submission do MLF and I want?
      What kind of nonsense is this? I believe that is exactly what Marshall and I and several others are RAILING against…we do not think that Muslim rule should ever come to the United States…that it is unconstitutional and just plain dangerous. I too am infuriated when Clinton and Pelosi submit to Islam. It is insanity. Muslim countries are just that…Musllim countries. THAT is proof that Islam is not a religion, rather it is a political way of life. It is insanity that women are forced to do the things they do under Islamic or Sharia Law. It is insanity and totally unconstitutional for women to have to obey Sharia Law in the United States, BUT IT IS BEING DONE HERE RIGHT NOW!

      Again, I submit that Islam is NOT a religion, it is a political movement, and therefore does not have the constitutional protections afforded in the Bill of Rights. Political movements can intersperse God here and there, and still be political movements. The desire to kill everyone (or enslave) that does not believe the way they do CANNOT receive constitutional protection, especially as a religion. That would be insanity.

      Who wants to shoot you? Have you been to the police? Your statement is so inflammatory, it is credulous, and baseless. Every cop and retired cop who writes on this blog has defended things they may or may not like, but you cannot just say…one of my supporters wants to shoot you. Who are these people?

      I respect and admire the founding fathers more than you will ever know or can grasp. I love the Constitution, and have sworn oaths more than once to support and defend it. The work they did is being undone by people like Obama, and that is a disgrace. The Constitution is what it is…and it is not conservative or liberal, it is a document that we as a country must defend. (Part of that document clearly says that you have a right to face your accusers, incidentally.) You cannot embrace the part of the constitution that you like, and throw away the rest. It does not work that way.

      I do not know you, or your son. I do not know what your last name is, or why that would cause anyone to want to shoot you or your son. The thought of this blog, I believe, is to warn our citizens of what a group of fantatics want to do to our country. If you are happy to be here, be an American, and want the freedoms our country affords, you will have to step up and be counted at some time. You have to stand up and say that what the Q’uran says about beheading non believers, enslaving non believers, etc., is just wrong and cannot be tolerated. I don’t know how else to put it…

  24. wwjs March 18, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    This is the same kind of right wing hate shown in pre Nazi Germany against the Jews. The same right wing hate that hung Blacks and burned Christian symbols the cross and hid their faces in white sheets . It’s the right wing that hates America and what it stands for . Calling Obama a Muslin is the just another name for what they are really thinking and don’t have the nerve to say . The party of Lincoln are becoming Racist .

    • Chris March 18, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

      It was the Nazi’s who hired the Muslims to kill the Jews.

      Your arguement holds no water.

      Obama CALLED HIMSELF A MUSLIM. Google it, and watch the video yourself.
      Yes, he has also called himself a Christian.
      Google that too.

      These statements are not coming from the right…they come from his mouth. So who is the racist now?

  25. Pamela Jarvis March 19, 2012 at 8:20 am #

    Hi Chris. Once again, misconceptions all around. Come on Chris….you know you think I make slanderous & libelous statements whether I sign my name or not….you know you think anyone who disagrees with your philosophy is slanderous & libelous. By the way, check out the spelling of “dylexic”. Hmmm. But I think I know what you meant….and I’m not that….but then neither one of us is perfect, right???

    When I say I don’t argue facts, I mean that literally. Facts are facts….true facts….the truth…..and I don’t argue against the truth. That’s what I meant….and maybe that is too obtuse……..sorry. Anyway….good luck & God bless America.

    P.S. Too bad you’ve given up “arguing” with me and my cohorts…..it was kind of fun while it lasted. At the very least, we (and you, too, I hope) are still trying to sort things out and speak up for what we believe is truthful and reasoning.

  26. Christopher Jones March 19, 2012 at 7:47 pm #

    PAM-
    Oh My Gosh, you found a typo. Gotta get my keyboard cleaned, I guess. Also, I am glad you can assume what I do and do not think. Be careful Pam about assuming anything…you know how that goes.

    As a believer in the truth, I certainly have no issue with discoverning it, and sorting it out. Did that for 27 years…and quite well, actually. At issue may be the reasoning thing. Incorrect conclusions are the result of fallacious reasoning.

    So I guess when I introduced a series of “true facts, the truth”, you failed to reply because those facts disproved your hypothoses. I can live with that. BTW, feel free to point out any other typos you see. Your being perfect is almost too much for my poor imperfect person to stand. Guess my dylexia (hahaha) got in the way.

  27. reality March 21, 2012 at 12:41 am #

    Chris, what do you mean, “It was the Nazi’s who hired the Muslims to kill the Jews.”?

    If Obama has called himself a Muslim, a Christian, etc., so what?

    Freedom of religion IS one of our freedoms. And how many American have one parent or guardian who calls himself or herself one or the other, while the other parent declares another religion is the “True” religion? Michael Landon is not the only one child who grew up conflicted, or in Obama’s case, accepting of ALL religions. He says he chose Christianity because of Christ’s ideals-“whatever you do for the least of My brethren, you do for Me”, “My Father’s mansion has many rooms”, etc. And which religion is this? “Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord” ? You seem to be blaming ALL the muslims in the world, and I hear there are way more of them than Christians, for 9/11. You say you are interested in truth, but you won’t even read what Ronnie Buca said in “Triple Cross” by Peter Lance.

    • Christopher Jones March 21, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

      “Chris, what do you mean, “It was the Nazi’s who hired the Muslims to kill the Jews.”?”

      It means exactly what it says. The Nazi’s hired Muslims to kill Jews before an during WW2. The Nazi’s tapped into the Muslim hate for Jews.

      As I have said over and over and over again, I do not believe that Islam is a religion. If you read several of the other recent contributors to this blog, you will read that they have the same belief…Islam is a political movement and a political way of life, greatly influenced by a child molesting hate monger known as Mohammed.

      I no more blame every Muslim for 9-11 than I blame every Japanese person for Pearl Harbor. However, fanatacism is fanatacism. Please
      read the book UNBROKEN by Laura Hillenbrand. The parallels are unmistakable. History gives us the opportunity to not make the same mistakes. Ignoring history, will force us to repeat it.

      I don’t know if there are more Muslims than Christians. If that is so, does it matter? Does that make the Q’uran right? Do we bend a person to their knees, hold a sword to their head, and if one fails to convert, remove their head? That certainly might be considered unconstitutional. And a bit extreme.
      That is the Q’uran and the Haddith.

      I will repeat this: When a Muslim repudiates this kind of thinking, I will embrace that person. If they fail to do so, how can I consider them to be “moderate”? If you do nothing else, please answer this last paragraph.

  28. Pamela Jarvis March 21, 2012 at 8:08 am #

    Chris: Another typo…..check it out….”discoverning”. Tsk tsk. (I know you didn’t mean to do that….but that just may be an assumption). About assumptions….I believe you made a few in the paragraphs you just wrote to me…..it’s okay…..at least you are still corresponding with the “enemy”. It’s good to do that…..helps you know what’s inside their poor, incapable, weak brains. I’m assuming (oops) that you realize we women are totally incapable of making our own decisions and knowing much about politics and the like……especially when it comes to recent issues concerning our own bodies. But I digress. We shall talk again perhaps. God bless you Chris and God Bless America. P. S. Sorry to hear about your dylexia. Hee hee.

    • Christopher Jones March 21, 2012 at 3:22 pm #

      For just a moment, I will be completely serious with you Pam.

      I was raised by a strong mother who taught me to respect women, and of course their minds. My dad was an alcoholic who finally got it right just before he died, but that was far too late for my brothers and me. We were very fortunate to have a fabulous step father a bit later. He saw the strengths of my mother, and I am so glad they got together. Not everyone gets so lucky to have such a great step father.

      It was my mom who showed me (and taught me) a strong work ethic…getting up before light often, and going to work in the 60’s as a postmaster in a small town in NY. In the winter, before snow plows were always timely, she walked to the P.O. (in the snow), when she had to. The post office was more than 3 miles from the house. She did this to feed three boys…she did not resort to welfare, and there were no food stamps. I never heard her complain. She did what she had to do.

      Earely on, I was a supporter of women doing anything they wanted to (long before it was vogue). Women’s rights were not exactly on the forefront in the late 50’s and early 60’s. I was a supporter of those things, because it was the right thing to do, not because it was fashionable. I was there when the first women cops were hired…and supported them completely. I still do, and nothing has changed. I will point out that women are not God, and neither are men, and neither should not be assuming that role. You certainly have the right to control your body…but don’t presume to ask the rest of us to have to pay for it. You are a grown woman… do what you have to do. Leave me out of it.

      All this said, (and if I make yet another typo…forgive me…I type very quickly rather like my mind runs)…I adore women, all kinds, and love a women with a brain. If I disagree with them, I still like the challenge of a good discussion. Too often, I have found that women who are of the political left, look down at conservatives…and conservative men. I think that the left has some delusion about being smarter. Pity. Nothing could be more ludicrous. However, having “discussions” on a web page is pretty much useless, because the nuance often is lost on the page. Sometimes what seems to be funny to me (or maybe to you) comes out meanspirited. So, when it comes to those debates, I have found it better to state my opinion, and if necessary disagree with another opinion, and go on. A much better forum would be an actual (live) debate. You can look each other in the eye, and hear the tone of voice.

      With my current job (which fortunately is winding down, and as I prep for a new job in early April), and as I continue taking care of that mom (the one who worked her butt off for her three boys more than a few years ago) and get her ready to go back north soon, I really don’t want or need the aggravation of the back and forth and misinterpretation on a blog. I will say this…neither you nor women are my enemy. Frankly, I am a bit insulted that you would say that…unless you are jesting, and that is difficult to tell on a blog, as you know.

      My enemy is the enemy of my country, and our freedoms. My life has been pretty much defending the ones who have needed it. I still would. I bet you every retired military/retired cop on this blog will stand up and state the same thing, along with many of the other contributors. Maybe we are pragmatic in our thoughts and feelings about people in other societies who want to bend us to their will…and maybe our pragmatism causes us to say enough is enough…if they want to enslave us or kill us, the time to negotiate is over. Which leads me to this:

      If you have the chance, I recommend the book UNBROKEN, by Laura Hillenbrand. (Yes, a female author). I just finished it, and will be saving it for my grandchildren to read as soon as they are old enough to grasp what it is about. The fanaticism that was real then, is the fanatacism that is real today. If you have the opportunity, I hope you read it. We can learn from history, if we just study it.

  29. Pamela Jarvis March 21, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

    Chris: Oh Chris. I can see you have an odd sense of humor……but I do find that a pervasive quality in you Repubs. I certainly don’t want to include you in any discussion about the recent attempts to force women to have ultrasounds, or anything else regarding their right to choose for themselves. Nobody is asking you for money in this case….oh yes…maybe some unfortunate ones who are poverty stricken and downtrodden…the ones that don’t deserve an inkling of your thoughts or your pennies. But forget about them. What I find fascinating is that you take everything so personal…..it wasn’t meant to be that…I was generalizing about the mind-sets of those who actually do want to mess with women’s minds and bodies. (Not you, of course).

    I also find amusing the ASSUMPTION that “the left has some delusion about being smarter”, and that you pity this ludicrous idea. Obviously you think the right is smarter. Could this be another delusion? Or assumption? Or is that a jest.

    I applaud your mom for all she and others like her have done to try to do the right thing for her family. And she worked for the government too. Does she think we ought to be privatizing the post office and social security? Most women don’t think so. But we are being told by the Repubs. that this is the best way to go.

    The reason for these blogs should be to find out what people think…”opinions”. An exchange of ideas and thoughts……a way to discuss things in a polite manner…(I don’t mean to preach the obvious). Your saying you like to “state your opinion” but you don’t like the “back and forth misinterpretations” leaves me in a quandary. Does this mean you don’t want anyone to call you on your own possible misinterpretations? Hmmm. That doesn’t seem quite fair…..but….whatever.

    You are right about writing on this blog…..it is useless. A waste of time. Good typing practice though.

    I will read your book “UNBROKEN” when I finish all the books Marshall has said I should read…..starting with his own. In the meantime…don’t watch too much FOX. (This is jest of course.) You guys will never stop watching that stuff. God bless you all…..and God bless America.

  30. Christopher Jones March 22, 2012 at 1:43 am #

    “Obviously you think the right is smarter. Could this be another delusion? Or assumption? Or is that a jest.”

    That is an assumption on your part. I don’t think anyone has a lock on intelligence. Unfortunately, like you mentioned ……”but I do find that a pervasive quality in you Repubs”, it seems we both have our prejudices. I have been the recipient of smarmy left wing elitists and their assumptions on just how enlightened and brilliant they are. Hopefully, that does not include you.

    “Does she think we ought to be privatizing the post office and social security?”

    As for social security, she does think that should be ALLOWED for future generations, not of course for the current recipients. It should become a persons “right to choose.” Hmmm, where have I heard that line before. As far as privitizing the post office, she is absolutely in favor of that. The post office was horribly corrupt back in the day, and now is a bloated bureaucracy which would be far more efficiently run by a private company. With what the govt. is doing to the P.O., it will be an empty shell soon enough.

    You mentioned the poor or downtrodden and that maybe they need the money for “their bodies”. You know, if the government is supposed to stay out of a woman’s body, then the government coffers ought to not be used in any respect either. Meaning Fluke can afford her b.c. pills for whatever reason she wants them. I don’t care. The money should not be coming from the taxpayer. EVER. That is my take…and apparently I am not in the minority here.

    Finally, writing on this blog is not a waste of time. Arguing is a waste of time. Big diff.

  31. Pamela Jarvis March 23, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    Dear, dear Chris: I am not “smarmy” (I hate that word….it makes the person using it sound smarmy). I also will be the first one to admit I know nothing and that I am not enlightened, brilliant, or even a left-wing elitist…..am working on it though….so your hope that I am not included in this evil lot should be gratified for now. I should probably warn you about putting all of your faith in one book or another. A one-book person should be looked at with much skepticism.

    Getting back to the issue of contraception for the poor, and the like; would you rather pay for welfare to take care of unwanted children, born only because their mothers couldn’t afford or have access to birth control? Or are you content to let them die in poverty…regardless of whose fault it was that caused their birth. If you don’t like that idea, what do you suggest we do with these kids? They WILL be born, no matter what you think. Why begrudge a few pennies of your income to support the downtrodden of this world. Being a Christian, do you not follow Christ’s teachings of being kind and compassionate to your fellow man, without all the caveats? God knows, we spend the largest part of our national budget on weapons and the military industrial complex. Because of irrationally fearing the things we fear the most, we are doing some pretty fearsome things with our taxes. If you read “The Road”, and other books (not just one) by Cormac McCarthy, he writes on a profound level of understanding of human nature. A true insight on history, and what makes us and our proverbial time-bombs tick.

    For the record: What I write should not be construed as an argument….only opinion and thoughts. Hopefully through better understanding and open-mindedness there can be some thoughtful considerations here and perhaps some changes in thinking all around.

  32. reality March 26, 2012 at 2:01 am #

    from “Al’s Emporium” in the WSJ reprinted today in Scripps: “Last week, the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas issued its 2011 annual report with a 34-page essay, “Why we must end too big to fail-Now”. The report stops short of calling our nation’s largest banks terrorists, but it does dub them “a clear and present danger to the U.S economy”.

    “Fraud is just theft wearing a business suit”, said Federal prosecutor Greg Costa.

    http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/20/marshall-frank-pro-con-america-winning-war-drugs-n/ $42 Billion a year, folks, funding crime, corruption, and terrorism. What would America be like if alcohol prohibition had lasted 42 years?